jesse_the_k: White woman riding black Quantum 4400 powerchair off the right edge, chased by the word "powertool" (JK 56 powertool)
[personal profile] jesse_the_k
Starbucks in OKC built to ADA standards but mgmt makes #accessfail with furniture placement & storage choices. The "extra room" on handle side of a door? Wheelchair users need that space to reach the handle. You create #accessfail you put news racks, signboards or flower pots there!

More #accessfail when you store chairs & boxes in the wide hall to toilet or cabinets inside. As those of us who use wheelchairs daily learn, our travel path is still invisible to non-W/C users & still blocked #accessfail. You may think at least W/C user needs are recognized but not reliably.

When I point this out owner usually offers workaround "if I just ask for help." But that's why ADA design is so specific & roomy): to permit W/C users to move through the world unmarked, as smoothly as "typicals."


tl;dr
Even when a space is built to ADA minimum standards, people can recreate barriers. "My space" that I need to move naturally is readily colonized by those of us who see it as "extra room."

ETA: first 3 graphs are a Twitter repost, which got zero response. I am prob doing Twitter wrong.

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Date: 2016-01-15 03:39 pm (UTC)
lilysea: Serious (Default)
From: [personal profile] lilysea
*agrees with you*

I get so angry when restaurants etc use the accessible toilet to store mops, buckets, cases of bottled water, cases of toilet paper, stacked chairs... until it's completely UN-accessible.

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Date: 2016-01-19 09:19 am (UTC)
firecat: red panda looking happy (Default)
From: [personal profile] firecat
I love that idea.

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Date: 2016-01-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
bibliofile: Fan & papers in a stack (from my own photo) (Default)
From: [personal profile] bibliofile
That would be easy to do. Shall we talk?

AGREED-

Date: 2016-01-15 04:31 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
And most of the time, I move through the world with "normal" space-- just a really strange gait! The one that bugged me recently is that we were at a little Mom-and-Pop Mexican restaurant, and they'd partially blocked the hallway to the bathrooms with a folding screen. Had I been even using a walker, that screen was TOAST, and likely to fall ON the nearest table. Why should I ask an employee to move it, when the screen gap was "supposed" to be ample for a walking person to simply move past it? I should have the same DISCRETION. GRR!

What killed me this week, and I mean tear-my-hair-out frustrating, was that I was at the pharmacy for my HMO (rhymes with MISER) and I could count DOZENS of ADA violations just in their 'streamlined service.' Starting with, you have to get in line to check in-- when you can tell them that you CAN'T STAND IN LINE. (That's my situation in particular, and it was NOT an auspicious beginning.) Then, they're supposed to call names via microphone -they don't just call loudly- and in a room of more than a hundred talking, moving people, --I couldn't hear the names!-- My son, who has hearing loss, couldn't hear them AT ALL... the list goes ON. I was waiting for over an hour, and clocked DOZENS of different, distinct ways that they were putting the onus on disability access onto the very customers they were claiming to SERVE.

I've been known to make a point at the coffee shop I used to patronize regularly by sticking my hands on my hips and pointing out that I cannot WALK to the bathroom door without banging my elbows on both sides because they'd stuffed the hallway with boxes-- which means someone with a walker can't get in, either. Doing so every week for several months FINALLY got the manager to move the big boxes of paper supplies-- into the ladies' and mens' bathrooms, stacked in a corner (I saw the ladies' room layout and presumed the remaining boxes were in the mens' room, but I really, really wanted to check with my own eyes.)

Re: AGREED-

Date: 2016-01-19 02:01 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Usually, vent at my husband for a bit.

Sometimes, if it's more than thirty minutes (at least once month since 2015, unfortunately), I complain precisely and politely to the management-- and it's about 50/50 if anything changes.

Mostly, I come home and stick my head in some gentle fiction where, you know, people MATTER to each other more, even strangers.

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Date: 2016-01-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
Grrrr, agree completely.

WRT Twitter, I'd have hashtagged #Starbucks and #ADA to publicly poke them over it.

Was shopping in the chair the other day, using the supermarket's clip-on trolley (cart) and there was something I wanted on the short shelf at the end of an aisle. But they'd placed temporary display boxes on both corners, sticking out a couple of feet. Only way to get to the item I wanted was to back in and reach behind me. Being bendy I can do it, but most chair users probably couldn't.

Grrrr!

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Date: 2016-01-19 12:49 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
How did I learn Twitter tricks? Mostly by watching others.

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Date: 2016-01-16 06:18 am (UTC)
firecat: red panda looking happy (Default)
From: [personal profile] firecat
On the subject of recreating barriers, Aahz and I had a hotel room near Chicago before Wiscon one year. It was officially an accessible room although we had not asked for one. But I couldn't get my scooter all the way inside. Why? Because the armoire had been shifted a few feet toward the door to make room for a refrigerator. Aahz made the manager come into the room to show him what the problem was and it was amusing to see the look on his face when he figured it out.

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Date: 2016-01-19 12:45 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
Yeah, both my hotel rooms in Athens this year had half the room inaccessible to a chair user because of unthinking furniture placement. Mind you, both also had lifts too small to accommodate a standard sized chair, so one problem at a time....

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Date: 2016-01-17 01:16 am (UTC)
lizcommotion: Lily and Chance squished in a cat pile-up on top of a cat tree (buff tabby, black cat with red collar) (Default)
From: [personal profile] lizcommotion
yes to all of this, what you said i mean. boo for the "bathroom as storage bin" or also "let us make a single person bathroom, and then divide it with a stall door so no one can get their accessibility device inside."

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