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[personal profile] cosmolinguist explores the gender pitfalls of defining a space as welcoming to "women and non-binary" people. Relevant to my interests because my wonderful comics club membership policy is "cis men have staffed the gates into comics for too long, so they're not welcome in clubMX." We've tried to express that in positive terms — here are the folks who are welcome — but given our rejection from traditional comics circles, essentially (hah!), the quoted negative definition above is what unites us.

people are doing an unreasonable thing in order to achieve a reasonable goal. I'm sure any of us could think about times in our lives that cis men were horrible to us, all the way from #EverydaySexism to actual trauma. And especially when it comes to groups for people who are queer/kinky/polyamorous/anything about sexualities and relationships, safety becomes even more important. But keeping all the cis men out isn't the way to do that. I'm not even saying "not all men," I'm saying "not only cis men." Not all predatory, boundary-crossing, consent-lacking behavior comes from them. Keeping them out is not necessary or sufficient for a space to be safe or welcoming.

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[personal profile] hellofriendsiminthedark precisely captures why disabling metaphor is harmful

In a world where blindness is inherently understood as a debilitating and limiting condition, "you're blind to the red flags" does mean "you're ignorant of the red flags."

In a world where sight is inherently understood to be one of many modes for gathering information, but is also understood to be neutral in value and not in and of itself individually essential in the grand scheme of gathering information and perceiving a legitimate model of the physical world, "you're blind to the red flags" would mean "you may not be able to see the red flags, but you can still intuit their existence. You can still obtain information about their presence using your other senses and other information around you, for example the ways in which the red flags interact tangibly with things you can perceive. You can still understand what a red flag would signify without having to be able to identify that specific denotation of a red flag. You may sense the effects of the red flag using the senses that actually matter in your experience of the world and thus posit their presence just the same as a metaphorically sighted person would by perceiving them through sight."

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Date: 2020-03-02 04:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
people are doing an unreasonable thing in order to achieve a reasonable goal.

Thanks for the link; that's very useful.
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Date: 2020-03-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cosmolinguist
Oh wow, it's spooky seeing a post of mine linked (thanks, by the way!) next to something that I basically never see people other than me talking about -- the harm of blindness-as-metaphor -- in such similar terms that it still felt like my own brain. But I love love love this idea of "here's what 'you're blind to...' should mean, if you're going to use it!" That's new to me and I'm so glad you brought it to my attention!
Edited Date: 2020-03-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2020-03-03 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] barakta
The blind ones seem to be more pervasive even than the deaf ones (which I don't like either cos they tend to assume wilful not listening rather than CAN'T HEAR)
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Date: 2020-03-03 05:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cynthia1960
Your post is very astute!
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Date: 2020-03-03 02:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vass
my wonderful comics club membership policy is "cis men have staffed the gates into comics for too long, so they're not welcome in clubMX."

...

Does your comics club know that trans men exist? If they have two categories, and those categories are "women and non-binary people" and "cis men", then trans men are either Cis Men Oppressors or Not Men At All. Which seems very much in line with how certain types of feminist regard trans men as having sold out of womanhood and joined the oppressors.

I agree with [personal profile] cosmolinguist's post entirely, but also, I regard myself as as much male as female, and events or clubs for "women and non-binary people", to me, send two messages: one, as [personal profile] cosmolinguist said, "you're just another kind of woman", and two, "you're welcome as long as you can chop half of yourself off and leave it at home." (Which, as [personal profile] cosmolinguist also alluded to, is very similar to the gay and lesbian community's treatment of bisexual people.)
Edited Date: 2020-03-03 02:47 am (UTC)
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Date: 2020-03-03 05:12 pm (UTC)
cynthia1960: cartoon of me with gray hair wearing glasses (Default)
From: [personal profile] cynthia1960
What's a better way to describe "blind spot" for driving?
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Re: Mmmm, that's an interesting question.

Date: 2020-03-03 10:55 pm (UTC)
cynthia1960: cartoon of me with gray hair wearing glasses (Default)
From: [personal profile] cynthia1960
Certainly design has a role, but I'll try to start using blocked spot.

Another change is using insensitive rather than tone deaf.

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